What an awful decision... for a manager that's supremely overrated and proven unable to win without Don Zimmer as his bench-coach... Year after year we're treated to watching Torre KILL US, kill any Yankees' chances with awful rotations, with awful RP handling (Olendorff relieving Wang, in Game 1!?) and so many pathetic moves, non-moves (not running vs. Sox in '04, not using Mussina in the 8th in Game 7 vs. D-Backs, benching Sheffield vs. Kenny Rogers, benching Giambi vs. Carmona and Byrd, etc. etc.).

moan and groan... ??? TRUE Yankees fans, that know the game... watch nearly every postseason in AGONY with this guy.. you say Olendorff wasn't the issue... but relieving your ACE in Game 1 on the road, setting a tone in Cleveland shouldn't be done with an average thrower, with all of 10IP to his experience when you have MUSSINA and Hughes sitting on their thumbs (and Torre brings Hughes in, in the 8TH INNING!?! when it's a blowout?). He kills us, talk to any true Yankees fan.

The man makes $6mil/year and blames everyone under the sun -- except his own inablity to manage in-game. He was sub-.500 before he came to the Bronx and has had a $200 mil payroll (that topped MLB for ALL of his tenure). He FELL into it, basically -- and a Bobby Cox would have had 3-4 more Championships, in the same shoes.

it seems that way

Torre is not the problem, their big money players don't hit in the playoffs.

They haven't made any decision yet. He's under contract until December 1st.
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Pretty stupid if they don't, and i am a Red Sox Fan.

Joe Torre is not the problem.

Just off the presses - The Yankees have signed Joe Torre for another year.

Ross Olendorff is most certainly not the problem. The Indians were just the better team.They got the perfect pitches and hits when they needed them. Can't you be reasonable? The Yankees don't have to win every single year. Find some other team to admire before spring training. Being a true Yankee fan doesn't mean you have to moan and groan if they don't win.

Yankees suck man get with a real team!